Definitely not Fenwick - and unlikely to be anyplace on the Valley Line, to be honest. I actually don't know where this is (the photo came out of the NHRHTA Photo Library, unidentified). My guess is somewhere out on the "east end" of the NHRR (Old Colony lines)
I’m not convinced this is New Haven at all. If memory serves, 400 with sans serif numbers (post 1904 renumbering) would be a 2-6-0; before renumbering, I think the numbers would have had serifs. This locomotive is a 4-4-0. Plus, this is the first time I’ve seen a Laconia coach with this roof style in a possibly New Haven context. Not that I’m a great expert or anything - just two cents’ worth of one - I will happily stand corrected!
Hey Fred and thanks for weighing in with such an intriguing analysis! You may well be right - this may not be NHRR at all. I'm not trying to trick anyone - just that this image showed up with a lot of other confirmed-NHRR images so the location really has us puzzled. Of course, if it's not NHRR (e.g. maybe B&M?) that would explain our confusion...
I may have been too hasty about calling this a 4-4-0; a more prolonged squint at your scan makes me unsure that the second (barely) visible wheel is not a driver after all, particularly as that would leave the drivers pretty far back. Swanberg confirms the only NH 400 was a K1-b, and the headlight placement is typical for a NH mogul; NH 4-4-0s had them atop the smokebox. So, despite the square window, this is probably an NH loco after all, with a possible date in the late 1920s, when Swanberg says the blank tank was in vogue ... but that coach! B&M interchange point sounds right, and I like the Down East hypothesis based on the cedar shakes ... another penny’s worth. North Shore?
From Page 27 of "The New Haven Railroad's Old Colony Divsion" by Robert A. Liljestrand: "This view of the Middleboro locomotive servicing facilities was taken on September 2, 1923. Note the K-1-b class #400 and the open platform wooden commuter coaches laying over in the yards."
The whole Valley Railroad had one stub station. Could this be Fenwick?
ReplyDeleteDefinitely not Fenwick - and unlikely to be anyplace on the Valley Line, to be honest. I actually don't know where this is (the photo came out of the NHRHTA Photo Library, unidentified). My guess is somewhere out on the "east end" of the NHRR (Old Colony lines)
DeleteI’m not convinced this is New Haven at all. If memory serves, 400 with sans serif numbers (post 1904 renumbering) would be a 2-6-0; before renumbering, I think the numbers would have had serifs. This locomotive is a 4-4-0. Plus, this is the first time I’ve seen a Laconia coach with this roof style in a possibly New Haven context. Not that I’m a great expert or anything - just two cents’ worth of one - I will happily stand corrected!
ReplyDeleteHey Fred and thanks for weighing in with such an intriguing analysis! You may well be right - this may not be NHRR at all. I'm not trying to trick anyone - just that this image showed up with a lot of other confirmed-NHRR images so the location really has us puzzled. Of course, if it's not NHRR (e.g. maybe B&M?) that would explain our confusion...
DeleteI may have been too hasty about calling this a 4-4-0; a more prolonged squint at your scan makes me unsure that the second (barely) visible wheel is not a driver after all, particularly as that would leave the drivers pretty far back. Swanberg confirms the only NH 400 was a K1-b, and the headlight placement is typical for a NH mogul; NH 4-4-0s had them atop the smokebox. So, despite the square window, this is probably an NH loco after all, with a possible date in the late 1920s, when Swanberg says the blank tank was in vogue ... but that coach! B&M interchange point sounds right, and I like the Down East hypothesis based on the cedar shakes ... another penny’s worth. North Shore?
ReplyDeleteCould it be Middleboro, MA?
DeleteMiddleboro, Mass 9/2/1923
ReplyDeleteOk Unknown - provide some evidence please :^)
DeleteFrom Page 27 of "The New Haven Railroad's Old Colony Divsion" by Robert A. Liljestrand: "This view of the Middleboro locomotive servicing facilities was taken on September 2, 1923. Note the K-1-b class #400 and the open platform wooden commuter coaches laying over in the yards."
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